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Wednesday, December 12, 2007
More Fucking Harrassment.
Last night, I received this e-mail. Hey Joe,
Could you please remove all personal information
you've posted of others from your entries?
It would also help if you didn't do this in the
future.
Sorry for the request. We've got rules and
such.
We'll be forced to disable your blog if this is not
done in 24 hours.
Well, NOW we know why Mark REALLY took that post about me down. That "I'm protecting other people named Mark Firestone" bit was obviously too stupid to believe unless you're one of his giggle-toys. He was just preparing to act on warm, loving Earth-mother PJ's advice that he try to have my blog shut down for the insult of playing his own game better than he did.
I mean, HE PUT HIS OWN NUMBER ON THE WEB, WHERE IT STILL IS. It takes a special brand of gullibility to think that I endangered him with information that he himself had already posted. He simply can't stand the fact that you all know he was stupid enough to do it. Now you know what an underhanded, phony little whiner he is - for the umpteenth time.
It was on December 1st that Jefe wrote a comment to the effect that if I stop going to Mark's blog, Mark will leave me alone. I informed him that he was incorrect, because that had been my first ploy, and the attacks just kept coming. I did offer to prove it to him, though, so I haven't gone there since. It lasted 10 days. A mere 10 days before he's trying to have me shut down. And I've left him and his blog completely alone. Don't even try to tell me that he's being "reactive."
So be careful when you deal with him, if you are unfortunate enough to do so. If he sees you as a threat - and he obviously feels threatened by me - he'll concoct an excuse to try and get you shut down. This is how he "handles disagreement." This is how he handles speech he doesn't agree with. This is why he's a hypocrite and a liar every time he gets on his fucking pedestal and waves the flag - a flag that stands for freedom, strength, and bravery. Because when it comes right down to it, he does not want any free speech except that with which he agrees, and is coward enough to slink around behind one's back to get one removed from the internet.
You know, Mark, when you threatened me online, I didn't go to the authorities. But then again, I figured you'd be too much of a pussy to ever actually try anything. But the point is, I didn't go "running to mommy." Perhaps I should. I wouldn't doubt that your threat broke a law or two. Shall we find out? After all, you didn't do that at YOUR blog, where you could delete it and pretend it didn't happen. Your threat is still there in Lucy's comments.
Not enough stupidity? Okay..... how about this comment that showed up today?
I'm going to say this as a lawyer, you need to take
this post down lest you find yourself in the midst of a libel action.
Unlike Mark's decision to post your IP address (which contains no real
indentifiable information), this is actionable.
And all of you who back this aren't any better yourselves.
Well, Folly - (or should I call you "Carol", or "Bar Slut?") you're just showing, once again, that "lawyer" does not equal "smart." First, you've already told us that you aren't a trial lawyer, so let us not pretend. Secondly, "libel" requires that you prove:
- That I published something about Mark that is untrue. Mark is the one who's been publishing lies, over and over and over. So that should be fun.
- That the info I published has caused Mark to suffer a loss. The only loss Mark has suffered is the loss of intelligent friends who don't like the way he acts. Oh, and any semblance of manhood, but I didn't take that away from him. He never had it in the first place.
So, no, Carol, I don't think you're going to sue me for libel. Thirdly, if you had bothered to read before you posted, you would have seen that the phone number had already been replaced by text and the links were disabled. I did that yesterday when your pussy boyfriend had Blogdrive send me a threat. I didn't mind. The existence of the threat shows, once and for all, that Mark KNOWS deep inside his little heart of hearts that he is nowhere near being smart enough or man enough to deal with me by himself. Oh, and you seem to think I'm scared of legal action on the basis that I endangered Mark. What a laugh. No judge is going to accept that I endangered Mark by linking to info that Mark himself posted. Only regular readers of his blog are stupid enough to buy that. Like you. I'll give you credit for one thing, though - you didn't make up some stupid fucking pseudonym like "Jesus of NM" and use a proxy server. Small credit, to be sure, but deserved. So, what advice do people have for me now? I've tried leaving him be, and he can't let it rest. He keeps dredging up old shit, posting with glee about my misfortunes, mocking my mother's death. I've tried sticking to the actual topic at other people's blogs, and you know he can't do that. Once a fact gets thrown in his face, he's back to his own blog throwing his poop like the simian intellect he embodies, making up anything he can come up with to discredit me so no one will notice that he cannot counter my argument itself. Fighting back only makes him go runnning to your blog provider to get you shut down. Is there anybody - anybody besides Mark's mouthpieces, that is - who is going to continue telling me that I am in some way provoking this? Is there any doubt that it is Mark and his Witches of Eastwick that have the obsession? I was - more than once- accused of organizing efforts to make everyone hate Mark. None of you have seen these efforts. Can anyone doubt, though, that Mark has done the exact thing to me that he, Gekko, and PJ have all accused me of doing to him? Certainly JennyJinx and Blogfest Tim, who both recieved "watch out for Joe" e-mails, can't. And Mark - just for curiosity's sake - have you EVER in your life handled a problem on your own, instead of running to a woman or an authority figure to handle it for you? You never face me head-on. You run to your blog, where you can alter comments, to take swipes at me but normally have someone else come here to bash me. Don't you get tired of hiding behind skirts? Haven't you ever wanted to stand up for yourself like a man, instead of acting like a little boy? By the way - that site you put up with your phone number? Might want to take it down. That is, if having that number on the web REALLY endangers you. If it DOESN'T, then what is this all about? If you leave that number up, you admit that this is not about the danger of having personal info on the net.You are admitting, by leaving that page up, that this is just ANOTHER in a long list of ways to get even with me for not liking you. Poor baby.
Posted at 08:36 am by Joe_the_Troll
 |  |  | Miz UV December 12, 2007 10:34 AM PST
Ugh, not this again. I wouldn't worry much about a libel case--he'll have to pay a lawyer by the hour to pursue that. And what kind of judgment are they going to get against an unemployed guy anyway? YOUR BONG?? Hahahahaaaaa!!!
Sorry. Thought I'd lighten things up. :)
Hope this is the last of it for you, Joe. You have better things to deal with. |  |
  |  |  | Fez Monkey December 12, 2007 11:05 AM PST
<i>he's back to his own blog throwing his poop like the simian intellect he embodies</i>
Hey! Come on, man. What's with that crack? I think I'll find some attorney who's been shunned by their church to scribble some pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo about slander. I mean, if calling me Mark isn't slanderous, then nothing is.
I await your public apology.
Ook ook |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 12, 2007 11:33 AM PST
Sorry, Fez - I wasn't thinking of you when I wrote that. I was thinking of something more like a lemur. |  |
  |  |  | Nat December 12, 2007 12:39 PM PST
LOL, Fez.
He isn't probably as concerned about the number being up as he is with having it and his name available for all to read, in association with his blog and/or blog comments he's made in in blogs, etc. He really needs to give it up and move along. |  |
  |  |  | Jennyjinx December 12, 2007 12:49 PM PST
I agree with Nat. He's not worried about someone else and he's not worried about slander. He's worrying about someone following his fucking trail of nasty breadcrumbs back to his door. Dumbass should've known better. I mean, he does have Carol to counsel him, she should have at least told him that commenting like a goddamned loon and threatening people under his own name wasn't exactly the smartest thing in the world. Lots of good she does him, huh? Carol, please tell Mark to pick a pseudonym when he leaves fucktarded comments all over the Internet. Hello! I mean, pick a pseudonym and NOT connect it to his real name. You know, that kind of thing. :)
Anyway, my offer still stands if anything happens. Then I can send you official emails and we can all point and laugh.
Now I have to go about my business of contaminating the Intertoobs with my wit and wisdom. I'm pretending to be a lawyer today. LOL!!! |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 12, 2007 01:31 PM PST
He's not worrying about anything except me getting the last word. As long as I am still here and have friends, he'll do this shit. Watch for another weak excuse within 90 days. |  |
  |  |  | Cheezy December 12, 2007 05:04 PM PST
That "libel" shit cracks me up. I still can't believe she's a lawyer. Not a real one, y'know, that people pay money to.
How - the freakin fuck - is it possible to libel someone with LINKS???? Huh?
Answers on the back of a postcard, I guess.
Hey, maybe she works for 'I Can't Believe it's a Law Firm' and her partner is Lionel Hutz?
Oh, and it's interesting to hear that I haven't been the only victim of the old surrepticious 'email campaign'....
Similarly, I heard that he sent some "watch out for Cheezy" emails about your's truly... wherein he regurgitated some blatant lies that some other psycho-freak told about me on his blog, all in the interests of influencing people's opinions about lil' ol' me...
Fuck, why does it MATTER to him so much to him, eh??? ... That man-bitch needs therapy, clearly. |  |
  |  |  | Attorney-at-Law December 12, 2007 05:25 PM PST
Interesting about the email thing. Yes, I got one that said beware of Joe, Sour Grapes, Cheezy, blah blah blah. I should have saved them. Damn! Of course, for anyone to prove libel they would also have to prove that the statement was false and good luck with that one. Hahaha!!!
Martini anyone? |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 12, 2007 05:29 PM PST
Cheezy - I get the feeling that Lionel Hutz would cream her in front of a jury. |  |
  |  |  | nat December 12, 2007 05:44 PM PST
Um. Wow. I got one of those emails, too. Cheezy, you never showed up at my blog to fulfill the destiny!! |  |
  |  |  | annie December 12, 2007 05:56 PM PST
what a bunch of fucking bullshit.
he makes me incredibly ashamed to be a deadhead. we aren't all like that, i swear it. sorry about all of this, joe. again. |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 12, 2007 06:00 PM PST
No, Annie, Mark and Ann Coulter are in their own little class by themselves. |  |
  |  |  | Looney December 12, 2007 07:15 PM PST
Criminy sakes, what a crapstain. Frankly, I think contacting your blogprovider is bottomfeeding at its worst, eating the shit even the algae-eaters won't eat.
There are disagreements, arguments, blogfights, and crap, then there's Mark. Unbelievable. |  |
  |  |  | Eden December 12, 2007 09:26 PM PST
This whole thing confuses me every time I read about it. He went to your service provider and asked that public information be removed from your site? I assume he also contacted Google, Yahoo, etc.
Then a lawsuit threat? On what grounds again? B/c you laid out what libel is and your post wasn't that.
I'm also confused about this: if you leave him alone, he comes here? Or if you leave him alone he begins to start shit at his own page?
I went to his place to check him out first time I saw about this situation in your blog. I was objective b/c I didn't know you any better than I knew him at the time. It seemed bizarrely one-sided, like you were just saying "here he goes again" and when I went there it was just like walking through a pigsty after a hard rain, seriously. I didn't go back. I just showered & went on with life.
I feel for you really. Would it help if I threw you a goat? |  |
  |  |  | O' Tim December 12, 2007 11:13 PM PST
Eden said "I was objective b/c I didn't know you any better than I knew him at the time."
You are at the end of a LONG line there, sister. But 4 out of 5 bloggers agree, Mark is a co-bag.
Funny how it took him two weeks to get the nerve up to contact Blogdrive. |  |
  |  |  | Cheezy December 13, 2007 03:45 AM PST
Nat- Actually I've been enjoying your stuff lately, especially the Christmas songs (and I downloaded the Neil Finn one - nice!)... but if you want, I can respectfully disagree with you about something if it helps to fulfill the prophecy! ;-p |  |
  |  |  | Nat December 13, 2007 06:02 AM PST
LOL, CHeezy! |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 13, 2007 04:43 PM PST
"I'm also confused about this: if you leave him alone, he comes here? Or if you leave him alone he begins to start shit at his own page? "
He'll start it at his blo9g whatever I do. He'll send the womenfolk here, if need be. |  |
  |  |  | PJ December 15, 2007 08:39 AM PST
"He was just preparing to act on warm, loving Earth-mother PJ's advice that he try to have my blog shut down for the insult of playing his own game better than he did."
And you know this how? Or perhaps you just made it up?
I gave him no such advice Joe. In fact, the only "advice" I gave Mark was not to make fun of someone who had lost his job. I admonished him for doing that -- and he took the post down soon afterwards.
I have no idea why you dragged me into this, but I'm sure you must have a good reason.
Peace,
Warm, loving, Earth-mother PJ |  |
  |  |  | Funny Girl December 15, 2007 08:49 AM PST
OOOH blog drama. My fave. He's a bit silly. |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 15, 2007 11:51 AM PST
PJ, I did see that. I also saw the other advice in a later comment on that now removed post. Pretend what you will, I care not, just another stone in the pile.
And, look, I've been visited by the ghost of Fanny Brice! |  |
  |  |  | PJ December 15, 2007 03:50 PM PST
"Pretend what you will ... "
Pretend what, Joe? I've pretended nothing ... why would you say that? What is your motive, your goal?
I'll wait for your answer before I respond further. |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 15, 2007 05:52 PM PST
I see. We're going to act as if the posts Mark took down never happened, along with the comment in one of them under your name that suggested that I could have my blog removed by Blogdrive if someone complained. Go ahead. It's just like that "10 Observations" post that you guest posted and then had Mark remove - that batch of lies never happened either, right?
As for my goal, it's to be left alone. Never do I write about Mark or any of you except reactively. When the stimulus halts, so do the reactions. It isn't my fault that Mark argues ineffectively when Cody or Lucy (for example) bring up a topic that he wants to argue about. I stayed on topic - I didn't TROLL him. He'd be fine if he either learned to debate or learned to control his temper and stop getting personal. He doesn't lose friends because of unfair "gangfucking" as you once called it - he does so because these people have observed long enough to see through his tricks.
Perhaps you didn't do the complaining to Blogdrive, and I never said you did, but I did see the suggestion, now removed as are a lot of posts that Mark second guesses and then wishes to sweep under the carpet. If you want to say you never made that suggestion, well, go ahead, because we both know better. |  |
  |  |  | Looney December 15, 2007 11:24 PM PST
<i>He doesn't lose friends because of unfair "gangfucking" as you once called it - he does so because these people have observed long enough to see through his tricks.</i>
He does so because he's an irredeemable prick.
Apologies to everyone else who doesn't think so, but he put me in a position that I had to make a choice, and that alone makes him out to be a prick.
That said, just because some else gets along with him doesn't change things for me. The Peej's of the world are the kinda folks I want in my circle. I'm bummed by that aspect of this... erm.. exchange.
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  |  |  | PJ December 16, 2007 06:02 AM PST
Joe, I'm not denying that I wrote the comment you're referring to. I'm not trying to hide anything from you or anyone else. I was reacting to your snideness toward me by your "warm, loving, Earth-mother PJ" comment and wondering why you had dragged me into this. I still wonder.
And although I can't quote myself verbatim, I basically said in the comment that I thought both of you were wrong. What Mark did was wrong because it was demeaning you after you'd suffered by losing your job, and I said it was a mean thing to do. And I said that what you did was wrong because by putting his phone number in the post that you wrote--yes, even though people could hunt it down themselves if they were so inclined--was was very obviously meant to invite harassment. The way you wrote the post made that clear. In that same comment, I added that if I were ever angry enough to do something like that, and I later learned that my actions had contributed toward the person being harmed, or someone he or she loved being harmed, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. And yes, I did say posting that sort of information in a blog post is a violation of every blog host's TOS -- which it is. That wasn't advice I was giving, I was stating a fact. You can be mad at me for saying it, but I think your anger is misplaced.
I hate to be cliche-ish but I do believe the old saying that two wrongs don't make a right. If you truly feel you did nothing wrong by posting Mark's phone number, then you should take that up with Blogdrive. |  |
  |  |  | PJ December 16, 2007 06:14 AM PST
"The Peej's of the world are the kinda folks I want in my circle. I'm bummed by that aspect of this... erm.. exchange."
Thank you for that, Anthony. |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 16, 2007 07:40 AM PST
You admit that you made that comment, yet still think I DRAGGED you in? That doesn't sound like dragging to me. After all, my comment in this post says nothing more than that you made a suggestion. Methinks thou dost protest too much. |  |
  |  |  | PJ December 16, 2007 07:55 AM PST
"He was just preparing to act on warm, loving Earth-mother PJ's advice that he try to have my blog shut down for the insult of playing his own game better than he did."
That doesn't sound like a "suggestion" to me. Sounds a tad more accusatory than that.
Yeah. You dragged me in, Joe. But if you admitted to that, I'd probably die of shock. |  |
  |  |  | PJ December 16, 2007 08:14 AM PST
I have one more thing to add, and and it's in response to your assertion that I "protest too much." That's an interesting comment ... I've been hearing a whole lot of protesting coming from you, with the title of your post being "More fucking harassment." Apparently now you think you're being harassed?
Back to basics. A year or so ago, you posted Mark's address on your blog. A number of people called you on it, including my son. You got rid of that, but you never acknowledged that you did anything wrong--not once. It's public information, you said. Anyone could find it, it's easy, you said. Yet what you did was wrong, and was a violation of your blog host's TOS. So now you've done it again, and this time Blogdrive caught wind of it and issued you a warning. Instead of coming out and saying, "Okay, Mark might be a cocksucker and I hate his freakin' guts, but I violated a rule and I shouldn't have" you're complaining about who ratted on you and how you're being harassed. Still, no admission of having done anything wrong.
Like it or not, Joe, there are rules you have to follow when you have a blog. Everyone does. If you break those rules, (which you did) you get in trouble. By focusing on who who ratted on you and claiming how wronged you are because of it only makes you look silly. |  |
  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 16, 2007 08:46 AM PST
See it how you will. The way I see it, I didn't force you to make any suggestions at all, so you must have walked into it freely, and of your own will.
Besides, you're forgetting to give credit for deference already given. After all, I did have an answer to that "10 observations" tirade ready to go. I'm certain that was taken down for, among other things, reasons involving accuracy and logic. Despite what a pack of "inaccuracies" it was, I chose not to pursue your humiliation or a fight by republishing it with response. (I thought you might have been told that by the person I discussed it at length with at the time, who was representing your side of the story.) I'm not obligated to ignore every slight, and in fact, all I did was mention a fact.
If you want to see an example of "dragging in," go back to that post by your reptile friend a few months back. After all, there were no "suggestions", "comments" or "opinions" from me at all about what Sour Grapes said to you, but I sure took some lumps for it, didn't I?
I should, at least, thank you for being able to point out that Mark's blatant display of Schadenfreude hypocrisy was out of line. Perhaps you think my response was out of line as well, and that's fine. It was a cumulative response, and I'm not sorry. Every post about Mark for the past year has been purely responsive, and I'm sick of it. If he wants to get personal, I can get personal. However, if he wants to go his own way, I can do that, too. He'd best learn not to take political statements personally if we're going to comment on the same boards, however, because I'm going to respond to the post topics at blogs I'm welcome to whether he likes it or not. Nothing ever has to go to the personal realm in these discussions, but that he makes it so, and everyone has seen the timeline of these events repeatedly. And I speak of him here because without him you'd have had no reason to suggest anything regarding me at all, correct?
You once wrote to me about how you'd had an emotional upset that I hadn't known about, and how you felt that I was jabbing you unnecessarily. Well, look at the year I've had, PJ. I lost my mom, I lost my four-legged best friend, I lost a lot of commissions because I lost work time for Grand Jury duty, and then, just as I was rebounding from that, I lost my job. That's my summary of the period between the third week of May to November 14th, and it's just the stuff that's not TOO personal to talk about here. So do I need the constant jabs? The sharp stick in the side every couple of months? The sheer joy taken in my misfortunes? The accusations? The things that Mark just makes up to insult my work ethics, my integrity, my very value as a person? Is it possible that after the year I've had, and after OVER a year of this crap, a tiny little straw might just be one fucking tiny little straw too many? It might, and I might resent any suggestion that my main creative outlet be shut down because someone doesn't like the fact that he's made himself look quite the asshole.
And what's the tiny bit of humor? The people who read this blog and saw that info aren't the type to use the info that way. Mark is afraid because, as usual, he's assuming that everyone else will behave as he would be tempted to.
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  |  |  | Joe the Troll December 16, 2007 09:08 AM PST
Ah, now that I posted my reply, I see your addendum. You've mentioned that I "Never admitted I was wrong" a few times in the past, so let's address that. Do you remember why I posted that address in the first place, PJ? Here's the complete story behind that:
First, Mark posted his business card on his sidebar, then took it down. Then,
he allowed Paula to post it on her blog as part of a post, where it remained for quite awhile. Then he began e-mailing me- as he did on a daily basis in those days - about how wrong I was about the "holocaust" thing, which is only because he was absolutely refusing to see my actual words on the subject. In one of those
e-mails he included an address for concert discs he had won.
About a week later, he took exception to something I wrote at Archer's, compared it to a very twisted version of what I had said in e-mails, and started calling me out as the worst type of hypocrite, among other things. I asked for permission to print the e-mails and told him I would remove his address. His response was "Post what you want, you fucking dope." He proceeded to write a post, mocking my stupidity at offering not to post his address. You see, he was ASSUMING that I meant his e-mail address, and was entitled to heap more insults upon me.
So I did. I offered, and had my decency used as an excuse to hurl an insult in my face. Someone who does that while already lying about me has no right to expect me to watch his back. Freedom of speech cuts both
I didn't endanger Mark - I merely helped him shove his own foot into his big fat mouth.
Furthermore, in that same post, he announced that I was not sending out the concert discs - then a part of my TtU contest- and that the whole thing was a fake. Well, that may be a small thing to you, but it was a baldfaced lie, and an insult to my integrity. You know, Mark wrote e-mails to me for six months afterwards asking me to bury the hatchet. I told him that he had to make a public announcement that he had lied about me, and apologize, and I would do the same and we could settle it. It was MARK who refused, always saying that he wanted unconditional forgiveness. Finally Paula got on him about it, and he posted that he was "mistaken." Well, he wasn't mistaken, because he had already gotten one set of award discs from me - he KNEW I kept my word. He had LIED. So while I didn't want to be his friend anymore, I did go for the truce idea.
Then, a few months later, the "Lest We Forget" posts began, and all those e-mails that you see people talking about in the comments - the ones that said "Watch out for Joe, Cheezy, and their ilk"- started flying around.
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  |  |  | PJ December 16, 2007 09:21 AM PST
You've had a miserable, horrible year Joe, and I'm very, very sorry. I sincerely hope that your life starts turning around soon so you can leave the stress and hurt behind and find happiness again.
I'll just leave it at that and go in peace. |  |
  |  |  | PJ December 16, 2007 04:17 PM PST
I decided to elaborate a bit more, Joe, because I want to send a message of hope to you. I know you've gone through hell in the past year. I'll share some of my own hellish experiences so you may know that we're kindred spirits, of sorts.
I've lived where I live now for 9 years. In that short time, a close friend of mine, Alfonso Loera, was shot to death because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was such a good guy, Joe ... a gang of teenage thugs killed him because they were looking for money to buy drugs. I think he had like $15 in his wallet ... and he was not only a great guy, he was also an incredible musician. His death was such a disgusting waste.
Within a year after that, my son-in-law, Dave, whom I considered my second son and Jeff thought of as his only brother, died suddenly at the age of 27, leaving behind not only my daughter as a widow, but also his little 2-year-old daughter, Emma, and an unborn son, Mitch, who will never be able to meet his wonderful father.
Add to that ... my mother died of congestive heart failure during this same time, and I didn't know how I could possibly go on without her. She and my dad gave me a childhood that was positively magical ... how do you cope with the death of someone you love so much? someone who gave you so much?
In that same time, I had to have my 13-year-old cocker spaniel, Shaye, put to sleep. And not long after that, my business nearly tanked because most of my clients were office furniture companies, and as everyone who reads the news knows, office furniture companies suffered immensely post-9/11. After that, my income shrank to less than half of what it had been. I've struggled financially for so long that I don't even remember what it's like to not struggle. Not to be uncertain. Not to be terrified. Damn I'm sick of that.
And then, in March of this year, a relationship that was supposed to result in marriage ended. And it just about did me in. I thought, I just really don't know if I can take any more.
Please know that I'm not writing this because I'm looking for sympathy, nor am I trying to divert anything away from you so the focus is on me. Rather, I want you to know, Joe, that I've lived through what I consider to be about the worst hell that anyone could possibly endure. And I've survived.
You're lived through hell too. And you will also survive.
I guarantee it. |  |
  |  |  | O' Tim December 16, 2007 09:33 PM PST
I second what Looney said - both about Mark and about PJ.
Like Joe, I buried the hatchet with Mark so many times that the log finally fell apart. Joe I hope you and PJ can find a way to let this water flow on downstream. |  |
   |  |  | PJ December 17, 2007 03:03 PM PST
Thanks, Tim. And Joe, you're welcome. I want you to feel better.
Happy holidays, everyone. |  |
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