Entry: Small sacrifice Friday, August 31, 2007

Boy, the ad hominem arguments are flying around this week. They're all in response to this, John Edwards' speech in which he said that as President, he would ask Americans to switch to more fuel-economical cars. When asked if that meant people "sacrificing" their SUVs, he said "yes".

From right-wind Blogovia's response (and don't miss Marco's well-considered comment!), you'd think he tried to choose Hugo Chavez as a running mate.

There is outrage. People are pointing out how "hypocritical" it is for a guy with a big house to criticize those that drive gas-guzzlers. They're picking on his house, his jet, and, for some very (I'm sure) bizarre reason, his haircut. I've noticed, however, that no one is tackling the actual argument that he makes about fuel consumption. One might think that they aren't able to.

Well, I see some logical problems with their arguments against it, and being the bullshit filter that I am, I'll see if I can strain some of it out for you.

First, his house. Sure, it's big. It's a mansion. I dare say that if any of the conservatives that put him down for living there had worked hard to build a successful law practice (which they will also gladly put down as being based on "frivolous lawsuits" although I'm still waiting to see an actual examples of research on that claim) and made enough money to get a mansion like that, they would. Thus, I suspect a hint of jealous hypocrisy in this particular critique. However, that's not the whole point.

The whole point is that while Edwards' mansion might - I say might -have a larger carbon footprint than one SUV, it will not even come CLOSE to ALL of them. Let's be real here. We should all be allowed to waste gas because the guy suggesting we all try to cut back is living in a big house that cannot, even if filled with styrofoam and lit on fire, come close to polluting as much as millions of vehicles? And the people who argue thus say that they are providing perspective?

Exactly what sacrifice is being asked for here? That everyone walk? No. That everyone carpool? No. Bikes? No. Public transport? No. None of these are new ideas, anyway. People were doing them voluntarily in the 70s when we had that energy crisis, and gas prices shot up.  You know, like they have been for the past three years.

No, Edwards is instead suggesting that we try to drive more fuel-economical vehicles. Then, we'd use less gas and create less pollution. We'd also save money. We'd spend less to get to the places we want to go. Less money in the tank, more in the bank.

Well, how dare that bastard try to make us sacrifice that way?

So while "conservatives" will tell us that we need to sacrifice our right to privacy, they draw the line at suggestions that we spend less on fossil fuels, even if it means traveling just as much as we did before. Or even more, depending on the situation.

Another argument is against the idea that we are the world's bigest polluters. "What about China? What about India? They each pollute about the same as we do! Ever heard of those countries?"

Well, yes, I have. Ever compared our population to theirs? Here's what I just looked up:

U.S.  302,746,657

India  1,129,866,154

China 1,319,175,335  It changed twice just while I was jotting the number down.

Not really equal, is it? This means that if we pollute anywhere near what either of these countries do - and we do- then we are far, far filthier per capita than either of these countries. India has almost a billion more people than we do. China has over a billion people more than us. But we're going to wait for them to clean up their acts first?

Sounds, I don't know, kind of mind-numbingly arrogant and selfish, doesn't it?

But then again, what do you want from people who support a war as long as the tax cuts mean they don't have to pay for it? Let China buy up all of the debt, we'll be okay. Our children wil be fucked, but we're all about us, aren't we? Let them form their own world with whatever we leave behind.

Edwards also said that he'd like to stop the overseas manufacture of the weapons and ammunition that our soldiers are using, saying that anything used to defend America should be made in America by, oh, I don't know, Americans? You'd think that would be something that righties could agree with. And I'm sure they do, which is why they aren't saying anything about it. Zero. Cuts into the ad hominems when he says something like that, it does.

Now, I drive an old Bronco II, not a Prius. I'm not currently in the financial situation to buy a new vehicle, although I certainly wouldn't mind a Prius. I have, however, changed the way I drive.

I moved to a job in an office, instead of outside sales. Leaving the old job was not exactly my choice, but avoiding outside sales when I looked for a new one was.

I rarely "run out" to pick something up or run an errand. I save my errands for the weekend as much as possible, and plan an efficient route. And I don't take unneccessary trips. Sure, I'll go out for fun - I'm not advocating hermitage. But the fact is that last year at this time, I was burning through 1 1/2 tanks of gas every week. Now I might burn that much in a month. While I was spending $300.00 a month on gas, I am now spending about $70.00.

I think I can handle making that kind of sacrifice.

Your milage may vary, of course (you had to know that was coming!) but I doubt that there is anybody who couldn't think a little about their habits, and find sufficient financial motive to make some tweaks.

I just can't, for the life of me, understand why someone would lay down for the reduction of their 4th Amendment rights, allow the Executive branch to claim far more power than they were ever entitled to by law, but take a stand for their right to be utterly wasteful with their own money and everyone's breathing air. Why not just set your money on fire and inhale deeply?

The thing is, some kind of sacrifice is inevitable. A stitch, in time, saves nine after all. A small "sacrifice" for prevention can offset a large sacrifice for solution.

If this report is correct, we'll soon see what we'll have to sacrifice if we don't wise up.

   12 comments

Miz UV
August 31, 2007   01:10 PM PDT
 
"Sacrifice" is such a misnomer here. He's not saying to burn your SUV and continue paying the lease. As you point out, people will SAVE money by not having the stupid things. I don't particularly like Edwards, but it's not because of his hair or his house. Gawd, that's dumb.
Eden
August 31, 2007   01:38 PM PDT
 
Beyond the environmental argument, I'm just pleased to hear a candidate give a "yes" or "no" answer instead of a justification, explanation, etc.

When we trade in our SUV (w/ the Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker still on it), we're getting a hybrid SUV. SUV lovers don't have to give up the style of vehicle they need or want to make a difference.

I like a lot of what Edwards says. Every time I hear him speak, he gets more credit in my book.
Joe the Troll
August 31, 2007   01:46 PM PDT
 
" I'm just pleased to hear a candidate give a "yes" or "no"

An excelent point that for all my cynicism, I had not considered. Thanks, Eden.
DangerDoll
August 31, 2007   02:38 PM PDT
 
As I've said elsewhere, I don't believe what he said was hypocritical in the slightest. Should anyone who speaks out for changes in how we treat our environment live in a cardboard box? Is that the way to gain the necessary credibility? A box and a bike?

And yes, people immediately took off on a "he has a big house and purty hair" tangent. I refuse to even address the hair comments. But the house - so what? He worked, he earned (not inherited or stole) his money. The poverty-stricken don't generally run for office. He drives a hybrid himself. His crime? Being rich, and using the word "sacrifice" in a sentence.

And when clips get tossed around the media, I'm always wary and start looking for the context. I looked for the whole speech but wasn't able to find it. The bits I did find pointed to a perfectly rational argument for better energy policy, along with other things I agreed with. Like Eden, the more I hear him, the better I like him.

He basically asked for single guys to stop zipping around town alone in their Hummers, for stay-at-home moms to stop driving their Expeditions to the post office, for families with no need for huge vehicles to stop driving huge vehicles. He didn't ask for the blood of our children.

End of rant. ;-)
Joe the Troll
August 31, 2007   02:44 PM PDT
 
That's gooooood rantin', DD!
cheezy
September 1, 2007   05:51 AM PDT
 
I don't know a huge amount about Edwards (although I do have a lingering suspicion that they should have reversed the names on the last Democratic ticket) but if the evolving right-wing defence against environmental advocacy like this has gone from contesting the fact of man-made global warming itself, to simply 'attacking the messenger' by saying that Al Gore's house isn't the greenest, or that John Edwards is rich and flies by jet, then their argument must be in serious, serious trouble.

Which is good news the planet, I feel.

And I find the irony of right-wingers practicing the 'politics of envy' against rich people to be rather delicious. Isn't this kind of jealousy what the LEFT wing are supposed to be suffering from?
Cody Bones
September 1, 2007   06:37 AM PDT
 
I too have no problem with him being successful, as a matter of fact I think that it's great. I want a president that has been successful in private industry, instead of a lousy career politician. I do have an issue with the idea of "Banning" certain things. Joe, your previous post contrasted with this one does strike me as a tad ironic. Substitute the words environment/global warming for security and you have the gist of my comment on your previous post. Leaving aside how stupid and nonsensical I think a a ban on SUV's would be (the price of gas is taking care of that right now), I literally can't stand the idea of government taking away my personal liberties in the name of the "common good" usually because it doesn't work. I do believe that we need to pollute less, and I also believe that the way to do it is by implementing market based solutions. Don't ban SUV's, raise the gas tax. If given the choice, I believe that we can all make the correct decisions in regards to the environment. This is not a liberal-conservative conflict. This is a Libertarian-Totalitarian. conflict. Long live Milton Friedman.

Joe, you seem to want to make sacrifices for the environment, and there are plenty of people who agree with you. There are also scads of people who want to make sacrifices in the name of security. The worst part of both sides are playing on fear, and this is how it starts.

Government is not the solution, it's the problem.
Joe the Troll
September 1, 2007   07:48 AM PDT
 
Cody- If government is the problem, it's because we keep electing the wrong people. And if smaller government is what you want, we STILL have the wrong people in office.

But you seem to have grabbed the wrong end of the stick here. Who said anything about a ban? I didn't, and I haven't seen where Edwards did, either. The news reports I saw quoted him as saying he would "ask" Americans to drive more fuel efficient cars. Scare tactics? Is saving money on gas scary? As far as the wheat article goes, does ignoring scientific consensus on global warming (not counting those few scientists that Exxon and Shell pull out of mothballs once a year) because it's scary makes sense to you?

The sacrifice I suggested was watching how we drive and seeing how we can change our individual habits to save gas, and I explained how I did that. It's put money back into my pocket that I would have put in the tank otherwise. Is that scary? I'd call it an appeal to personal responsibility, and I certainly haven't talked without the walk.

Where did all this "ban" stuff come from anyway? I suspect it came from another site or a talking head where what Edwards said is being spun into something else. If you click on the link that says "this" up above, you'll see the article this came from.

And raising gas taxes??? The high price of gas is why I changed my habits in the first place! It's not my fault that some people are just too rich or too thick to get it, please don't raise my pump price anymore. Let's not pretend that it's cheap again just because it's only twice what it was a few years ago.

Thirty years ago, people dumped their big cars and went to more economical models because of the price of gas. They were looking out for their own best interests.

Now, we have high gas prices, AND a looming ecological situation, yet people will REFUSE to act in their own interest now just because they don't like the political party that the guy who suggests (not commands) it comes from?

As to your comparison of sacrifices, this is how I see it. I have seen no talk of "ban" so what I got from Edwards is that he would ask folks - in other words, make some preachy speeches just like every other President has done about his pet peeves - to change their habits and perhaps get a more economical car. There is a built in benefit to that in the form of lower gas expenditures and better air for all of us, even Republicans. I can't speak for anyone else, but boy, I sure like air.

But the point is that people are then left to decide for themselves the level of their participation. They can chip in, or not.

However, when security is traded for privacy or any other right, I can't choose there. Those who want sacrifices in the name of security want to make that decision for everyone, and treat those who don't like it as traitors.

So you see how I'll tie this in to the totalitarianism concept, if you want me to.

I do see an irony, though. Right -wing pundits and such continually try to compare this shindig with WWII, but those people REALLY sacrificed. They scrounged around for any scrap metal they could find, chipping in their own pots and pans. They dealt with rationing of sugar, flour, meat. They weren't even getting new tires for the cars they had.

And today's conservative American claims higher moral ground because he stuck a magnet ribbon on his SUV, and chafes at the mere suggestion that he choose to drive a more economical vehicle.

One generation defined themselves as Americans by pulling together and doing without, even if it meant hunger sometimes. The generation that invokes them periodically defines themselves as Americans by having tax cuts during wartime and fighting for their right to think only of themselves.

I find that part ironic.

Don't worry, no one I know would support an outright ban. I'd expect public service messages and the like. And if you dig your SUV, see what Eden wrote in her comment above.
Jennyjinx
September 1, 2007   10:19 AM PDT
 
I think that the idea that Edwards would "ban" SUVs come from habitual thinking with regard to the current Administration. Bush makes a "suggestion" (signing statement) and suddenly it's the law of the land. His "suggestions" set policy and don't give the average person a choice. Most Americans want out of Iraq now and yet Bush is asking for $50 bil more! So, you can see why people that don't support Edwards, but support Bush, would get the idea that Edwards would take his "suggestion" too far. Hmmph.

Another great post, Joe. Excellent even. I can't add anything and that makes me jealous.:)

By the way, we only have one car for our family (a Toyota Camry- which our own unscientific tests say it gets 31 miles per gallon), so when TheMan is working I walk everywhere I need to go. It's a pain in bad weather, but since we don't have public transport here it's necessary (as well as cheap and healthy).
raejane
September 1, 2007   11:58 AM PDT
 
I want to puke everytime I see someone driving an SUV or an Hummer...
Gawd.
I think it's so freaking selfish.

I haven't seen the article yet, but a friend of mine said that in 20 years we could be saying goodbye to elephants, tigers, koalas..etc etc...

Sad. People would rather f up the Earth with thier cars than make a small sacrifice for the 7th generation.
raejane
September 1, 2007   12:02 PM PDT
 
And I'd like to add... as a mother of 3 who must drive a mini van (hot, I know).. don't FREAKING RAISE THE GAS PRICES!!!!

Kids are expensive... Autistic kids are even more expensive. I have to DRIVE to take her to therapy... and I pay nearly a hundred dollars to fill my tank...
That's F'ed up!!!!!!!!

Lucyp
September 2, 2007   12:08 PM PDT
 
Many of the points i was going to make have already been made so i can just add that i am glad the Environment is being taken seriously at long last and that the selfish SUV drivers are being wedgied for their choice of atmosphere damaging vehicle.

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