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I saw this in the news today. Like the case of the woman in Saudi Arabia, this is sure to have lots of Americans wringing their hands in rightful indignation. You can't run a country
By a book of religion Not by a heap Or a lump or a smidgeon Of foolish rules Of ancient date Designed to make You all feel great While you fold, spindle And mutilate Those unbelievers From a neighboring state Frank Zappa Update: The stupidity begins at CNN.com. Go here and scroll down, looking at the right side of the screen. See the "Quick Poll"? Can anyone tell me the point of taking a poll in a non-Muslim country about what constitutes blasphemy in a Muslim country? OF COURSE very few people will see it that way HERE, you morons! The fact is they are not obligated to care what we think about it, as we don't care what other countries think of our laws. In fact, we expect people from other countries to know and obey our laws when they are here, do we not? We don't make exceptions for laws that these people consider ridiculous. When an American was to be caned in Singapore for graffiti about 15 years ago, most Americans had no problem with it. Go there and break their laws, you deserve the punishment, they said. Many said that America should be more like Singapore. Corporal punishment gets results, they said. Well, how many of those same people will have that same attitude about THIS law? Very few, I'd wager. After all, the Singapore thing was about damage to property. This is only about disrespecting someone else's God on their own turf. |
| Miz UV November 27, 2007 11:06 AM PST Of course I think it's horrible that teacher got arrested and could end up physically abused, but really what right do we have to act so fucking superior? Are our laws so moral here when you can get tasered for not signing a speeding ticket? And we won't even talk about the death penalty because of course only the deserving get that. Our courts never make mistakes. Bah. And I didn't even have to invoke religion for those examples! | ||
| Miz UV November 27, 2007 01:18 PM PST Here's a link to show that Muslims have all sorts of different opinions relating to this incident: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7115400.stm | ||
| Joe the Troll November 27, 2007 01:49 PM PST Thanks, Paula! That was interesting. I especially noted this one: To feel offended by what the teacher did is impossible. She should not be punished for something like that. I believe that the teacher is in her right mind and is aware that she is in an Islamic country. I am sure she knows what can create religious tension and she wouldn't have done such a thing on purpose. The poor lady is being accused of a sin she did not commit. I hope and pray that the UK government will take this seriously and intervene with vigour before things get out of hand. Why aren't Muslim brothers taking more kindly to such things? Sanity my people! Salma Aki, Khartoum Sudan Note that he says "sin." That's it exactly. Do we want to have every little sin be against the law? What the hell are people thinking??? | ||
| nat November 27, 2007 03:23 PM PST "Parents of students at the school informed the authorities and Gibbons was taken into custody Sunday, Saunders said." Wow, cuz parents need to run to the authorities, instead of approaching the teacher or writing her a note or something reasonable. This was after THEIR OWN CHILDREN picked the name. I hope they report their kids to the authorities, too. That aside, Paula has a point. Remember the woman tasered and taken into custody in an airport earlier this year, because she was pacing and acting irrationally? She later died in custody. We have no reason to be so indignant. | ||
| Lucyp November 27, 2007 04:53 PM PST Good points you raise Joe and i was going to bring up the same points as nat that it was the children who named the bear and the same childrens parents who took it to the authorities. Of course it is wrong for us to throw stones while inside our own glass houses, we are in no position to lecture anyone about how to run things but i don't know if it is just higher profile now, but religion really can be a scary thing when used to justify ill-treatment. | ||
| Joe the Troll November 27, 2007 05:53 PM PST Lucy & Nat - exactly. And to the people who insist that America is a Christian nation and needs no separation, I say bugger off. If you look at the comments that Paula links to, you'll see several people who mention that the kids should be punished with her. | ||
| Cheezy November 28, 2007 04:22 AM PST That is indeed an excellent link that Paula posted. I can think of some people who should definitely read all of that, if only to bring the following invaluable morsel of information into their certain and self-righteous little lives.... That being, "Muslims don't all think the same!". They're a diverse bunch. As diverse as any other religion, from what I've seen. There's some real wisdom here, I think, both on the original post and in the comments. Let's not be so smug about our own system for it is far from perfect (in both the US and the UK) but, at the same time, let's try the best we can (i.e. not down the barrel of a gun) to propagate and promote to others a secular, humanist, rational way of solving problems. It's clearly vastly superior to the alternative. And ultimately, let's hope that this poor lady doesn't get the lashes. Cultural differences notwithstanding, I do find it a disgusting, barbaric practice... | ||
| pissed off patricia November 28, 2007 06:52 AM PST Who died and made the US the world's sheriff? We need to keep our noses out of other countries and fix our own country. | ||
| DangerDoll November 29, 2007 09:00 AM PST All the bleating on about America being founded as a Christian nation is like sand in my bikini bottom. Here's an excellent debunking of that bullshit: http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html Just my $ .02. :-) | ||
| Joe the Troll November 29, 2007 10:34 AM PST Another fantastic link. Thanks, DD! | ||
| Looney November 30, 2007 11:52 AM PST Yeah, we're not perfect, but comparing tasering an irrational woman who could easily have been a danger to herself and others with this stupid teddy bear thing is not putting apples next to apples. It's a fucking teddy bear. It's fucking ridiculous. It is important to see the comments on BBC, though, because if you go with CNN, you only get to see the fucking zealots. The problem is that the zealots are in charge in the Sudan. Then of course you have the "thousands" protesting, saying she should be killed. What next, fatwah on the Paddington Bear Co.? Well, that should give Rushdie a break, eh? I'm sorry, but the US *is* better than that fucknuttery. After all, if you had to pick, where would you live? | ||
| Joe the Troll November 30, 2007 12:15 PM PST I agree, Looney, but my point is that there are people claiming that this should be a Christian country with no separation between church and state - a movement that was initially fueled by Falwell in the early 80s. They're still there, and I contend that they would bring things like this to our country if they were to have their way. It may not be what they visualizes, but it is what they would create, eventually. As far as the tasering, Paula was talking about a different one. There have been a lot of them lately! You can read about the one she meant tomorrow, as the cop who did it is nominated for American Asshole. | ||
| Looney November 30, 2007 12:28 PM PST It wasn't the crazy lady at the airport? The one who was actually sick rather than loopy? Okay, I'll check back tomorrow. | ||
| Miz UV December 4, 2007 10:45 AM PST Looners, I shouldn't have implied we're the same as them, but I get so pissed off at the tasering. We're not the same, but it would behoove us to focus more of our outrage on our own stuff, IMO, than to expend so much energy criticizing other countries--unless they're attacking us, of course! | ||
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